the good that I wish to do is not what I do, the evil I hate is what I practice--Paul
zen nudist
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Timing or Karma?
by hillbilly ini guess some things are meant to be.
"it's sad to belong to someone else when the right one comes along"....why are we always outta sync with what our heart really wants.
why is it so hard to do the right thing sometimes?.
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Timing or Karma?
by hillbilly ini guess some things are meant to be.
"it's sad to belong to someone else when the right one comes along"....why are we always outta sync with what our heart really wants.
why is it so hard to do the right thing sometimes?.
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all things are exactly as they must be
there is only one past, only one present.... how many futures do you imagine there might be?
I suspect only one will result.
no one can change how we all got to this very present moment.... ever.... no matter which present moment
you might pick, its always the same, the past is over done and undoable.
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Where do you think evil (or bad behavior) comes from?
by wordlywife inbeing worldly i try to get my head around this sometimes, and wondered what others opinions are.
being that my husband is a long time witness i know what the witness view is, it is all satan's doing.
since most of you are "out", has your view on the source of evil/unacceptable behavior, (whatever you personally find just out-right wrong, for me it is child sexual abuse), changed?
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zen nudist
the tree of knowledge of good and evil is a good place to start, what is the story behind the story?
the author seems to recognize prior to the concepts of good and evil there is only paradise, reailty compared to reality is perfect... but if you take upon yourself the power to determine good and evil paradise is lost....but why?
what does it take to decide what is good and what is evil? often overlooked is the necessity for an ideal.... without an ideal to compare events to they are simply events, not good not evil. the bible presents the torah or the law as the ideal which according to myth resided with God prior to creation and represented the standard by which all acts would be judged.... the tree of knowledge did not represent the divider between good and evil, but rather the ability to create ones own ideals apart from God's and decide what is good and evil for oneself...an ability that God forbid humans to possess.
[which btw, shows the author did not believe God was all knowing, since an all knowing God would not have a concept of good nor evil... he would simply know all events and their would not be a point to compare them to an ideal which would be a falsehood as it would not represent reality in any instant of time.]
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"Babylon the Great", who is she?
by JH inin the book of revelation, talking about things to come, babylone the great is to be destroyed, in one hour.. .
some think that babylon the great symbolizes america, while others like the jw's say it's the false relgions that will be destroyed by the un.... .
who do you think babylon the great represents?.
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And they will be proved wrong since the scriptures say it is a 'mystery' -
if I am not remembering wrong, the term mystery means in inside secret, known only to those in side....not something no one knows
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I still think it might be the truth - what is wrong with me?
by slimboyfat inapostate literature - i have read the lot.
you name it - c of c, gentile times reconsidered, thirty tears a watchtower slave, the orwellian world of jehovah's witness, apocalypse delayed, and the freeminds and watchtower observer sites, so on and so on.
and i have been reading the posts on this site regularly pretty much since it started, and hourglass before it.
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zen nudist
People on this board tend to follow a similar implicit assumption:
'An apostate is just a Jehovah's Witness who has been mugged by reality'
But I have had many run ins with reality - yet he has left my Watchtower wallet in tact.
Why?
JWs are slick when it comes to logic, they present things in such a way that only two possibilities seem viable, when there can be many other possibilities.... but its hard to argue with books and magazines and their binary this or that seems very compelling, but if you dont challenge it you will be lead to their conclusions easily.
for every experience attempt to find at least three valid beliefs, you will find the more you do this the less falsely certain you will be for any view of things.
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Where do you think evil (or bad behavior) comes from?
by wordlywife inbeing worldly i try to get my head around this sometimes, and wondered what others opinions are.
being that my husband is a long time witness i know what the witness view is, it is all satan's doing.
since most of you are "out", has your view on the source of evil/unacceptable behavior, (whatever you personally find just out-right wrong, for me it is child sexual abuse), changed?
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zen nudist
there is a huge book titled EVIL
and compares real world evil to hollywood evil...
a basic conclusion is that overall what one man calls evil is what he sees someone else doing and does not understand their
reasons for doing it, yet when he does virtually the very same things, he can justify them.
so evil is what HE does, but not what I do in many cases.
I am careful, you are frugal, he is cheap.
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Free will?
by mjl inwe are taught that jeh.
created all of us as free moral agents.
meaning we are able to decide to serve him or not to.
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If you are conscious you have free will. Free will isn't the ability to do anything you want its the ability to choose happiness or unhappiness by your actions and thoughts
sounds nice but has no meaning.
people can only chose the most compelling option availible to them and what makes it most compelling are hidden inner mechanisms which do not care what your consciously desire or want.... most smokers trying to quit will tell you about their lack of freewill....
and if you really believe you have freewill then try to do this one simple thing: get that stupid inner voice to stop gabbering for more than a 30 seconds.... and if you can do it, what made you finally do it? was it my suggestion that you could not? was it your own will?
if what you do has a prior cause, how is it free, if it has no prior cause, but is random, how is it willed? if not caused nor random, then what? magic?
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Where do you think evil (or bad behavior) comes from?
by wordlywife inbeing worldly i try to get my head around this sometimes, and wondered what others opinions are.
being that my husband is a long time witness i know what the witness view is, it is all satan's doing.
since most of you are "out", has your view on the source of evil/unacceptable behavior, (whatever you personally find just out-right wrong, for me it is child sexual abuse), changed?
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zen nudist
What do you believe is the reason humans do the horrible things they do, at times? Do you still believe there is a wicked force, an a good one?
I believe that humans like computers have only two important parts, their hardware or body, and their software or beliefs... if either of these is somehow broken or damaged or corrupted, then the behaviors will be viewed as dangerous in some way... either to the person himself or to those around him or both.
here is one theory about why someone could become a child molester-- at a critical imprinting age, usually around the beginnings of puberty. this person interacts with a child, perhaps only a few years younger than himself.. he may be 12-13, she may be 9 or 10, etc... this interaction can set up a trigger that will last his entire life.... he may become an addict for this youthful imprint burned into his psyche just like someone who has done heroine becomes a junkie and no matter how clean he ever becomes is just a half step away from complete enslavement the rest of his life. Society damning people like this forces them to hide what they do and makes the emotional energy even more powerful and all the more irresitible at times they way any life and death gamble would.
the conscious and unconscious actions of this person driven to satisfy this forbidden hunger will be judged by society as evil.
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Free will?
by mjl inwe are taught that jeh.
created all of us as free moral agents.
meaning we are able to decide to serve him or not to.
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zen nudist
one of the very first cracks in JW theology I discovered was their strange notion that Jehovah "could" know the exact future if he wanted to, but chose not to.... translation, the future exists to be known, but Jehovah does not want to spoil his own fun so made himself willfully ignorant... they give the analogy that he is all powerful but choses to excersize his power selectively and not all at once lest he set the universe to self destruct.... seems almost reasonable until I realized that it just does not work... if anyone Jehovah or otherwise could even in principle know the REAL future that is coming, then it means that it in a sense already exists and no choices are more than our ignorance. and even Jehovah himself is just a puppet to fate or Destiny... his choice to be ignorant is thus no such thing, but just part of his nature.
most of christendumb says that God is all knowing, but that he gave us freewill anyway, not seeing how stupid that really is... if God knows everything, including every move he himself will make, then he does not have freewill nor can he give it to anyone else...again he is a puppet of his own foreknowledge. if you say he can know EVERY possibility and CHOSE which one to act upon, then unless you suggest he is insane or stupid, he must chose the best one and again there really is no choice.
without the myth of freewill humans cannot properly be damned for being exactly what they never had any choice in, which makes just about every religion fall apart.... but there is no real reason to believe that freewill is more than a myth.
if my actions have CAUSES in the stream of time, then they are obviously NOT free. If they are random, they are equally obviously not willed nor my choice... so freewill is nothing but an oxymoron term without vaildity other than in myth.
if there is a single past which lead up to where we all find ourselves right this moment... the single present... it would seem that the inertia of reality will guarentee only a single future will result..... so the illusion of choice seems to stem from nothing more than our ignorance of what course we will take until we take it... the future may be unpredictable but still completely determined.
recent physical models relying on 11 dimensional membrane theory seem to confirm that every event in the entire universe has been part of this single unfolding of events which stem from this eternal nature of reality which no one made....often over looked by those who beileve in a creator is that he had no say in his own existance and so his eternal nature was never a choice.
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What is it all about? This life.
by dh indo you ever have those days, weeks, months, or even years where you just feel like your entire existence is completely pointless, when time has shot by and you feel like you have done none of the things that you set out to do so many years prior.
when you feel like you have been standing still forever.. you work your routine and live your life, maybe have some friends, but when you go to sleep at night you still feel like there is nothing, no point or reason or meaning for any of it, like life is a void, and all your actions, feelings and everything about you is simply designed to distract you from the fact that there is nothing, and if you're lucky you're so distracted that you never notice it at all.
it's like some insane cylce and you can never break it, no matter what you do or how you try.
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I constantly think about WHY am I here?
you are where you find yourself because the chain of events which lead to your being here cannot be undone and you cannot be anywhere else, so accept it and stop wondering why you are here instead of there and you will find the peace of being.